I don't think you can get high from secondhand unless you hotbox a geo and blaze like 2 or 3 blunts worth of chronic.
I'll consider myself corrected in that sense; but I still don't care for the smell of it.
Regardless, it's not likely to be an issue any time soon, so I won't worry about it for now.
(This piece is more of an political manifesto than another pro-1177 argument)
Throughout the thread people have been arguing that it doesn't matter because it isn't going to pass. The fact is, it should have never been made illegal in the 30's. Beyond that I have to ask, was it dumb for Frederick Douglas to run for president in 1888? He had no chance of winning? He had to get his message out there and keep trying. Only if we dare to dream impossible dreams can we ever reach unreachable stars.
Second, a lot of people have been making the argument that this is a waste of time. I hope you realize how arrogant and ignorant you truly are. This is NOT about marijuana! This is about a lot more. This is about how it's wrong to have 2,000,000 people in prison in a "free country". This is about how it's wrong for the government to act as a parent rather than a protector. This is about how it's wrong to support a flawed social war. This is about how the money we waste on enforcement should be helping people. This is about upholding Thomas Jefferson's timeless mantra of "Life, Liberty, and The Pursuit of Happiness". This is about how "A society that sacrifices a measure of freedom for a measure of security deserves neither and is doomed to lose both"-Ben Franklin. I'm sorry if an issue pertaining to the most important American ideal of freedom is a back burner interest. Freedom, that very thing we send young people to die for every 20 years or so. That same thing that barefoot and almost naked members of the Continental Army marched accross the frozen ground of what would later become the United States. The same thing that MLK was shot for. The same thing that Gandhi fasted for. This is a matter of liberty. And a matter of liberty is ALWAYS of the utmost concern to any true patriot. This is one piece of a massive puzzle.
Cry for Radical Change:
Please everyone (on all sides)...grow up. Leave the juvenility behind. It may have served society well at one point to cling to cling to a barbaric justice system...but now it's time to grow up. To innovate and to create a beautiful and wonderful free society akin to what John Lennon sang about in the song, "Imagine". One where we can transcind the petty assumptions and prejudices that come from a divided society full of marginalized souls. Beliefs and attitudes that do nothing but make us spin our tires perpetually even while we turn the steering wheel from left to right and back again every 8 years. Change is scary...I get that. But the course we've chosen thus far has led us to this recession and to two seperate wars as well as packed prisons. Please consider new ideas before you rush to the nostalgic allure of a world that no longer exists. This isn't just about marijuana laws. It's one piece of a peaceful and pragmatic multi-faceted revolution to a place where reason, liberty, and (hopefully) love rule the day. If this is something that sounds good to you, reconsider your position on this issue (and a lot of other important issues too...like gay marriage, healthcare, and economic stimulus). I want to live in the world I just described and I solemnly believe that my side on issues like this, ultimately stems from that desire. If you do not want to live in that world or you have a contrary view on how to get there then I will gladly accept the "no" side of this discussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7qaSxuZUg
PS: I understand that this will put a lot of you off. I hope it does... because then maybe it will force you to think differently than the way that society has taught you to. If you really don't mind business as usual, that's OK too. If this is just some other issue to you, that's OK as well. I have made my call for revolution and you can choose to let that phone ring and go unanswered, but know that this phone is going to keep ringing as long as I have a beating heart and a functioning brain.
I haven't read this thread, but anybody trying to argue that the continued criminalization of marijuana is a good thing really should reconsider their position.
It is stupid to even have it illegal...fuck let people do what they want!
It is stupid to even have it illegal...fuck let people do what they want!
I cannot even begin to dredge reason from the insipid depths of your oversimplified "opinion". <Insert rape/murder anology>
If we were able to direct all your impotent stoner rage to something that was actually important, we might actually get something done. It seems impossible to motivate potheads to do anything as a group that DOESN'T involve weed. Check out this picture I made for you guys:
It is stupid to even have it illegal...fuck let people do what they want!
I cannot even begin to dredge reason from the insipid depths of your oversimplified "opinion". <Insert rape/murder anology>
If we were able to direct all your impotent stoner rage to something that was actually important, we might actually get something done. It seems impossible to motivate potheads to do anything as a group that DOESN'T involve weed. Check out this picture I made for you guys:
It seems impossible to motivate the general American public to perform an act that they revere as the holy bastion to democracy.. the right to vote.
your example of un-motivated stoners does not correlate to them smoking weed, its an oversimplification of all humanity. some people are lazy some people are active regardless of whether their toking or not.
I haven't read this thread, but anybody trying to argue that the continued criminalization of marijuana is a good thing really should reconsider their position.
Quoted for truth.
If you don't enjoy the substance don't use it, but let those that can appreciate cannabis use it freely. If it doesn't harm you then leave it alone.
I would rather light the world ablaze than allow you to do the same to your joint.
Your generalizations are often unfounded and your conclusions do not weigh actual facts. You are blinded by the haze emanating from your bong.
I would rather light the world ablaze than allow you to do the same to your joint.
Your generalizations are often unfounded and your conclusions do not weigh actual facts. You are blinded by the haze emanating from your bong.
please do elaborate and give some reasoning for your conclusions or else everyone here will be forced to assume that it is you whose logic is blind and confused.
I would rather light the world ablaze than allow you to do the same to your joint.
Your generalizations are often unfounded and your conclusions do not weigh actual facts. You are blinded by the haze emanating from your bong.
please do elaborate and give some reasoning for your conclusions or else everyone here will be forced to assume that it is you whose logic is blind and confused.
This is a classic example of a troller, look at his other posts and you'll see. Best to just ignore him :)
Yeah dude. That's right we're all stoners that don't care about anything unrelated weed. That's why I don't smoke and that's why I'm a card carrying member of the Snohomish County Democrats and President of my residence hall here on campus. Go ahead and keep being and ignorant arrogant troll. Just know that no matter how much you're having writing all of us off as lazy stoners that your lame ass attempt at demagoguery will fail. We're talkin freedom here jack. The right to self ownership. The right to pursue happiness so long as you aren't hurting anyone else's right to do the same. Marijuana is just one limb that's from the same tree as gay marriage, lowering the drinking age to 18, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and any other freedoms or liberties that you can imagine. Don't you dare tell me that I don't care about anything else. Don't you dare tell me that everything I say is a generalization. And don't you dare tell me there are no facts to support my position. Tell us all about the youth leadership conferences you help run every year. Tell us all about how you plan to become a lawyer to fight for labor unions and underrepresented minorities. Tell us about how you dream of getting into politics to change the world. Tell us about how you dream of doing humanitarian aid work in South America. Oh wait, those are all my things. If you think you're so much better than those of us that have posted here, tell us one of the many issues to which you obviously devote every waking second of your life to. Because I can just tell by your wonderful venn diagram that you are going to be an unemployed graphic designer for most of your life so please please share with us what you will do with all of that free time. If you have nothing positive or thought provoking to share then you are being a fuck. Put up or shut up.
Thanks
In your argument you state the gross overspending on the drug war and I wanted to add to that. If the government legalized pot they could turn their drug spending into a profit. The tax dollars generated from pot might be alivating to the massive deficit that Obama is creating.
He's adding to it. I don't think anyone could match the kind of irresponsible spending of the Bush or Reagan administrations. Lowering taxes while increasing spending is just stupid. But yeah, we could make bank on legal weed sales.
Yes, I am trolling, but I also am quite legitimately disgusted by the collective arrogance that potheads display. Please do not equate the gay and lesbian movement with your desire to toke up on weekends; as charming as your list of life pursuits is, I really couldn't care less. And how dare you insult my venn diagram? That took me like 10,000 hours in MS Paint.
Let's be honest, your arguments for the legalization of marijuana don't stem from a libertarian belief in limited government, and they sure as shit do not share the same underlying value as the gay rights movement. As far as my problem with you, think of it like Macs: at this point, I don't have as big of a problem with the hardware as I do the douchebags who use it, and constantly tell me why my PC is inferior.
Oh, I dare question your motives. I dare to accuse you of generalization. I dare to question that your dedication to the issues you care about are less about the issues than it is about you satisfying your "white knight syndrome". I live on the edge, Wyatt. These pursuits are nothing more than the satisfaction of your own pathetic vanity.
Thank YOU.
Yes, I am trolling, but I also am quite legitimately disgusted by the collective arrogance that potheads display. Please do not equate the gay and lesbian movement with your desire to toke up on weekends; as charming as your list of life pursuits is, I really couldn't care less. And how dare you insult my venn diagram? That took me like 10,000 hours in MS Paint.
Let's be honest, your arguments for the legalization of marijuana don't stem from a libertarian belief in limited government, and they sure as shit do not share the same underlying value as the gay rights movement. As far as my problem with you, think of it like Macs: at this point, I don't have as big of a problem with the hardware as I do the douchebags who use it, and constantly tell me why my PC is inferior.
Oh, I dare question your motives. I dare to accuse you of generalization. I dare to question that your dedication to the issues you care about are less about the issues than it is about you satisfying your "white knight syndrome". I live on the edge, Wyatt. These pursuits are nothing more than the satisfaction of your own pathetic vanity.
Thank YOU.
Uhh, fuck you~
Uhh, fuck you~
Eloquently put, my partly cloudly forum warrior. At least we share a love of European cars, am I right?
I quite honestly don't know what to say. I don't smoke weed and here you are telling me I have no legitimate reason to feel the way I do about this issue. I have no issue with you questioning my motives. The only issue I have is that you are assuming my motives and are completely writing off my passion for civil liberties. And yes, the gay rights movement and this one are one in the same. Both are lifestyle choices any individual should be allowed to make and they both face major barriers due to discrimination from assholes like you that aren't comfortable with alternative lifestyles. You say that the people on this forum are arrogant, I quite honestly have never encountered anybody that's as brazenly arrogant as you are. You claim to know everything about everyone who posts anything despite the fact that you don't know us, or me. Quite honestly it's offensive and inapropriate on a level I have never seen. Your venn diagram is useless, unoriginal, and stupid. My friend Benjamin Snow made the same one and showed it to me during my senior year in high school. I doubt you or he even came up with it on your own. Furthermore, you have no business on this forum nor on any other forum. You completely fail to acknowledge and respect any other arguments for what they are, arguments. Beyond that, you make none of your own. You simply criticize and personally attack posters while lacking any evidence for your claims. That's one of the original logical fallacies. However, I must compliment you I have never seen a more impressive blend of eloquence, arrogance, and ignorance, well done. You are a truly new fascinating breed of human. I think I'll call you Douchebago Fucktardimus. Oh and by the way, I'm a PC and I run linux.
And yes, the gay rights movement and this one are one in the same. Both are lifestyle choices any individual should be allowed to make and they both face major barriers due to discrimination from assholes like you that aren't comfortable with alternative lifestyles.
Lolwut?
Perhaps you should skim the gay rights movement wikipedia page and tell me again how both Gay rights and the right to light up whenever and where ever is the same fight?
Although you "quite honestly don't know what to say", you've done a good job of overcoming that deficiency by rambling on for a good half page or so about the facets of my character you find displeasing. Since I care about issues so much, let's take the time to talk about the issues at hand in this thread about issues.
Your passion for civil liberties is misdirected, because smoking marijuana is not a civil liberty. This is where we have a fundamental disagreement. I don't think it should be, you are unhappy that it is not recognized as such. Also, you really showed me what's what by not denigrating me on a personal level. I'm glad you were able to maintain the moral high ground, it must get lonely up there all by yourself.
As a quick point, we actually have interacted before, and it revolved around this very issue. Double points if you can figure out when or how. However, I don't really know you, but I've heard enough from you via the forum that I can legitimately assess my dislike for you. In short, it's fairly substantial.
If I'm the worst you've dealt with, you clearly don't get out that much. I'm happy your friend Benjamin Snow is such a funny guy, his venn diagram sounds like a hoot. I've already mentioned that I don't want you bringing my art into this; your repeated advances on my diagram are both alarming and unwarranted, and now you've gone and hurt my 'lil feelins.
On to some actual points I'd like to make. It strikes me as a might hypocritical of you to call me an ignorant douchebag who can't respect other people's opinions. You have completely disregarded my nuanced position on the issue, buried underneath layers of wit though it may be. That sounds a little...arrogant and ignorant. Additionally, the logical fallacy is a "straw man". That's what you were looking for. And your ending "punchline" is weak.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, comparing the civil rights struggle of disenfranchised social minorites to the annoyance of a thriving subculture of substance-dependent users is certainly not a valid comparison. In fact, it's really denigrating to the LGBTQ community. If you have a passion for civil liberties, as you claim, why not focus your efforts on a more pressing and legitimate struggle like theirs? Trolling aside, that is the absolute worst part of your entire post.
Consider for a moment that you should "battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster". You are a sad and warped echo of the very thing you claim to despise: an arrogant and ignorant fool. You take another step forward and here I am again, like your own reflection in a hall of mirrors.
Good thing you didn't satiate my trolling bloodlust and devolve to my level. (This is what we call a "coup de grâce").
I'd watch out, I've seen Wyatt decapitate a grizz with his one hand tied behind his back. I'magine what he can do with both~
I haven't read all the posts but I think I get the gist of what everyone is staying: legalize/decriminalize or don't. Mmm, I'd have to say you make really valid points, Matt. Seven billion dollars is a lot of money and those are a lot of jail spaces that our government could be using to inforce other laws. Marijuana use is a personal life choice, not something that the government should be able to regulate. However, I do not smoke/"inhale" marijuana, for those that do, it's a life choice. Take smoking or drinking alcohol, one gives you cancer and the other makes you stupid. A majority of people smoke and almost everyone drinks alcohol but the government is all for stopping everyone from smoking pot? What is that?
For the person that works in the ER, I understand what you are saying about people that drive under the influence of pot. However, we have people driving drunk all the time. People talking on their cell phones while driving is almost the equivelent. So, why would we allow people to drink and then drive, but not smoke pot and then drive? I know we don't allow them but we enable them to do so. It's one of those ideas of all or nothing. The government should not be allowed to regualate a personal life choice. That just gives them more power over our lives. Before you know it, they'll be telling you how much you can drive your own car that you paid for with your own money that you worked for that they taxed to death so they can go bust pot smokers and waste jail space that you, by the way, pay for and the tax money that they stole from you for driving your car.... it's a vicious cycle...
I'd have to say legalize it. Stop wasting my money, don't waste jail space, and stop using up court time when you could be prosecuting a murderer. Go look for the rapist and not that kid down the street that smokes pot on his own time. Give it a rest, they're going to do it anyway. You can give a person a million MIP's, arrest them, and put them through hell but for godsake, it's their PERSONAL choice, just like drinking alcohol.
Wyatt, Cole_Edwards, Ogrim; this is what forumers avidly call a "flame war," and it definitely violates guidelines set in place to keep discussion on the forum civil, so it doesn't turn into a big personal-attack-fest '09. Your posts have featured many a "belittling statement" and examples of "offensive language." Please refrain from resorting to personal attacks in your debates.
In layman's terms, knock it off.
I'd have to say legalize it. Stop wasting my money, don't waste jail space, and stop using up court time when you could be prosecuting a murderer. Go look for the rapist and not that kid down the street that smokes pot on his own time. Give it a rest, they're going to do it anyway. You can give a person a million MIP's, arrest them, and put them through hell but for godsake, it's their PERSONAL choice, just like drinking alcohol.
Good idea, if someone's going to continually break the law, let's just let them or better yet, let's change the law! You also don't address how murderers and rapists aren't acting on their own accord as well; hey, if you murder and rape enough, we'll stop prosecuting you because you chose to murder and rape.
The guidelines say nothing about offensive language, only "insulting language or belittling statements." My statements in the last post were niether belittling, nor insulting, in my opinion.
It isn't just your opinions that matter. What you consider offensive can be offensive to others. And whether the comments were direct and personal attacks or not, the little flame war was starting to get a bit out of hand. So please, lets not stretch the limits of the guidelines and just keep things courteous. It is possible to carry out a discussion on a hot topic without trolling or offending or name calling.
Wyatt, Cole_Edwards, Ogrim; this is what forumers avidly call a "flame war," and it definitely violates guidelines set in place to keep discussion on the forum civil, so it doesn't turn into a big personal-attack-fest '09. Your posts have featured many a "belittling statement" and examples of "offensive language." Please refrain from resorting to personal attacks in your debates.
In layman's terms, knock it off.
Oh, thanks man, we're not fucking retarded, we know what a flame war is. Just settle down, we're all over the age of 13.
I'm done anyway, this conversation if you can call it that is going noooowhere~
If by, "A bit out of hand", you mean "hilarious", I would have to agree. I feel I was winning.
While it's possible for that conversation to happen, it's not very probable. I submit that perhaps a reworking of the guidelines is necessary to facilitate the type of discourse the moderators would like to see. It is impossible to guage the degree to which my responses will be held offensive, only whether or not I intended them to be. The longer this thread goes on, the more reasonable I become.
Wyatt, Cole_Edwards, Ogrim; this is what forumers avidly call a "flame war," and it definitely violates guidelines set in place to keep discussion on the forum civil, so it doesn't turn into a big personal-attack-fest '09. Your posts have featured many a "belittling statement" and examples of "offensive language." Please refrain from resorting to personal attacks in your debates.
In layman's terms, knock it off.
Oh, thanks man, we're not fucking retarded, we know what a flame war is. Just settle down, we're all over the age of 13.
I'm done anyway, this conversation if you can call it that is going noooowhere~
Even I am impressed by the ballsiness of this comment.
Wyatt, Cole_Edwards, Ogrim; this is what forumers avidly call a "flame war," and it definitely violates guidelines set in place to keep discussion on the forum civil, so it doesn't turn into a big personal-attack-fest '09. Your posts have featured many a "belittling statement" and examples of "offensive language." Please refrain from resorting to personal attacks in your debates.
In layman's terms, knock it off.
Oh, thanks man, we're not fucking retarded, we know what a flame war is. Just settle down, we're all over the age of 13.
I'm done anyway, this conversation if you can call it that is going noooowhere~
Even I am impressed by the ballsiness of this comment.
Why~
... just a little pathetic, you remind me of this wonderfully apt xkcd comic:
xkcd.com/386/
If by, "A bit out of hand", you mean "hilarious", I would have to agree. I feel I was winning.
Why~
Because you just straight up told a moderator to calm down. I don't know, it's just something I wouldn't do. Then again, the only people who visit my profile are advisory board members, so hey, what do I know.
And Rob, I'm glad you were able to extract a silver lining from the voluminous cloud of my mad rhetorical skills. Here's a sort of webcomic that I think would be more appropriate for me:
http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=421
It's fun substituting other, more talented people's thoughts and jokes for our own!
Ya, but he's a reasonable guy and a good mod as far as I can tell, and I doubt he can just ban me, I think it has to come from farther up the food chain (Andy Peterson). I've been banned once and I'm doing my best to not be banned again. You wouldn't believe the amount of posts I just decided not to post~
Ya, but he's a reasonable guy and a good mod as far as I can tell, and I doubt he can just ban me, I think it has to come from farther up the food chain (Andy Peterson). I've been banned once and I'm doing my best to not be banned again. You wouldn't believe the amount of posts I just decided not to post~
So if you direct comments at people, in this case a staff member, only they can decide to ban you? What if the staff members actually communicate with each other?
To address a few points. First, Dou---bago, I apologize, I meant to post 'insulting' rather than 'offensive,' but I was somewhat hurried when that was written. That said...
While it's possible for that conversation to happen, it's not very probable. I submit that perhaps a reworking of the guidelines is necessary to facilitate the type of discourse the moderators would like to see. It is impossible to guage the degree to which my responses will be held offensive, only whether or not I intended them to be. The longer this thread goes on, the more reasonable I become.
You bring up valid points, and we've been discussing similar subjects at the two meetings we've held thus far. The advisory board and we are working on a sort of range of response for how to deal with cases of people not following the guidelines, and we're thinking of making the guidelines into an actual 'agreement' rather than just guidelines. There might be some fairly significant changes over the summer, but we'll see what happens.
Also, I encourage you to tell me to calm down if you think I'm being unreasonable or overly upset or anything like that. Also, I apologize for taking on what may have seemed like a belittling tone in my last post; it was a bad attempt at being light-hearted/humorous, which has potential to not go over well when one is telling people to stop doing something and in a hurry. However, please, don't use the term 'retarded' in that kind of way. I say that as a fellow student as well as a moderator.
Also, is there a way we can start talking about the original subject again, with respect and an open mind and all that good stuff? I ask that genuinely. Because if not, the thread might as well be locked, which I'd rather not do because I think there's a lot that can be learned here.
Here's the deal:
Look I'll readily admit that I'm arrogant. This is because I feel that I am probably right or close to right on every opinion that I have. This is not to say I believe I am all knowing, I do concede that I could very easily be wrong about many things. I do actively seek knowledge and I try to learn more of what alternative viewpoints have to bring to the table. But based on the information that I have yet perceived I feel confident in my opinions the majority of the time. What's more I like to share them and defend them. So what I really am is passionate and confident in my stance on issues. Sometimes my passion gets the better of me. That's a common problem for idealists. However, as much as I hate losing arguments, given after thought they help me gain a lot more insight into my own value system and my own stance on issues and others like it. So I love argument. As for your mirror theory, you couldn't be further from the mark.
Not to be rude...but Cole, you did not employ a straw man. You employed ad hominem thank you much. You attacked the person not their argument. A straw man is where you set up a flimsy counterargument to your own so you can destroy it later. You never did that and I am concerned that you think you did. All you did was insult me, you never made a real argument. I do not think that I'm somehow a moral authority in this particular "flame war" as I did sink to the standard that you set by trolling in the first place. But at least I advanced points before I engaged you. I found your specific implementation of trolling particularly upsetting because it goes beyond the typical troll where you toss out a random and/or perhaps undirected insult often for the sake of humor or to incite anger. What you posted was really none of those things. They were well thought out, intellectual attacks at my character and my motives, that's personal. That is why I felt the need to engage you in this exchange. Given that I want to be constructively countered for the sake of promoting my own beliefs and further developing my own thoughts, I bit on what you through out.
Back to argument:
We have a fundamental disagreement about civil liberties and rights. I am of the belief that people should be allowed to do as they please so long as they are not harming others in the process. Or in other words, I am a civil libertarian. Gay marriage is an issue relating to freedom to do what one pleases with one's own life. We should all be able to marry whomever we please so long as they consent too. Just as I believe that people should have the right to toke up in their living room if they want because it's their own business. I readily concur that the marijuana issue is practically a throw away when compared to a pressing issue like gay marriage. However, the freedom arguments that apply to gay marriage also apply to drug law reform and just because it is a lesser issue, it doesn't make it invalid. I am also more concerned about other issues than the marijuana issue. I had one rally in support of HB-1177. However, I signed up today to volunteer for President Obama in selling his healthcare plan to the people of the Everett area in hopes that they will put the screws to our congressmen. Although they are all democrats, the issue is whether or not they will compromise on important points, that's what we really want to prevent. That's enough about that and I don't want to continue that discussion and I know you don't care. However, if you really want to beat the ad hominem drum some more, have at it and I will keep boring you to tears by showing you how wrong you are about me.
Bottom line is this:
If you want to advance arguments and engage in a debate or discussion of this issue go ahead. But if you do not, just do everyone a favor and stop. If you do not stop that's your call, but I am done playing your game because if you ask me I won the exchange. However, ultimately you succeeded in your intention of proving all of us to be not credible because now I look like a jackass. So at this point I apologize for the things that I did wrong and now the gloves are going back on and I'm inviting you to play my game by continuing to argue properly.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5615&year=2009
I got plenty of signatues for this. I did my part, and yet we are back where we started.
"Mar 25 Senate Rules "X" file."
not sure if this was posted before, im pretty sure it must of been.
But this means that its dead and buried. By definition
"X-FILE. The House and Senate Rules Committees may place bills that will go no further in the process on the "X-file.""
Dammit, where are Mulder and Scully when you need them!
Uh, I haven't read this entire thread, nor do I ever intend to. Fuck, it is deadweek afterall.
One topic I'm guessing hasn't come up is Mexican cartels selling American's their precious weed because American's can't grow it for themselves. Legalizing weed will decrease the demand for Mexican narcotics (which consists of weed and cocaine, mostly) and thus decrease the role Mexican cartels play along the border. If Americans are growing and smoking their own weed instead of the shit that comes from Mexico, and the cartels' present decrease because of this, then less violence will occur.
It's simple supply-demand, but the implications for what it could do to decrease the DAILY murdering going on in Mexico is enormous.
Time magazine says:
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1889021,00.html
I would be more sympathetic towards the kids in college who smoke pot if they weren't so horrible at it. Don't open your window and let all the smoke go out. I swear if my room smells like someone just smoked in it one more time, I'm reporting it. There are places around campus where you can do that without pissing people off. The reason we have smoking poles is because no one wants to deal with someone else's crap. If stoners were more respectful of other people having to smell their nasty smoke, maybe people would care more about this issue.
All the people who whine about smoking pot are the people who don't understand how easy it is to come by and use regardless of the law. The comedian Daniel Tosh has the best joke about it. "We should legalize pot so potheads have nothing to talk about ever again. Grow up and do coke like an adult."
Uh, I haven't read this entire thread, nor do I ever intend to. Fuck, it is deadweek afterall.
One topic I'm guessing hasn't come up is Mexican cartels selling American's their precious weed because American's can't grow it for themselves. Legalizing weed will decrease the demand for Mexican narcotics (which consists of weed and cocaine, mostly) and thus decrease the role Mexican cartels play along the border. If Americans are growing and smoking their own weed instead of the shit that comes from Mexico, and the cartels' present decrease because of this, then less violence will occur.
It's simple supply-demand, but the implications for what it could do to decrease the DAILY murdering going on in Mexico is enormous.
Assuming for a moment that you are not only an advocate for marijuana smoking but also an active participant, let me illuminate the following point for you:
Supply and demand arguments would be best kept on the backburner, if you want to brink the murders in Mexico into play. By smoking their weed you are increasing the demand for their product and are therefore complicit in those murders.
If you are not, since there's nothing in your post to strongly indicate that you do smoke, ignore this post.
Also, the guy above me seems to share my feelings. I forgot your name because I'm too lazy to go back to the thread.
Also, while I appreciate bringing in op-ed pieces from outside publications, particularly those as respected as TIME, I have a few counter-arguments to Mr. Klein's article. They follow.
Listen, I can't see a legitimate argument against this bill.
When looking at a contentious issue, if you are unable to find anything valid about the opposing position, that is a good indication you are not seeing the issue objectively.
I can tell you that you are seeing (or acknowledging) only one side of the argument - the side that is important to you. You should step back and consider that there are other facets that are important to others. It is only when you can fully appreciate an opposing position that you can ever win a debate. Until then, you are just ranting about your own position.
Two more things. First, you should be careful not to present a belief or hope as a fact (e.g. society would not be harmed by this law, use wouldn't increase, etc.) Lastly, rejecting an argument is not the same is refuting it.
-Brent
Uh, I haven't read this entire thread, nor do I ever intend to. Fuck, it is deadweek afterall.
One topic I'm guessing hasn't come up is Mexican cartels selling American's their precious weed because American's can't grow it for themselves. Legalizing weed will decrease the demand for Mexican narcotics (which consists of weed and cocaine, mostly) and thus decrease the role Mexican cartels play along the border. If Americans are growing and smoking their own weed instead of the shit that comes from Mexico, and the cartels' present decrease because of this, then less violence will occur.
It's simple supply-demand, but the implications for what it could do to decrease the DAILY murdering going on in Mexico is enormous.
Assuming for a moment that you are not only an advocate for marijuana smoking but also an active participant, let me illuminate the following point for you:
Supply and demand arguments would be best kept on the backburner, if you want to brink the murders in Mexico into play. By smoking their weed you are increasing the demand for their product and are therefore complicit in those murders.
If you are not, since there's nothing in your post to strongly indicate that you do smoke, ignore this post.
Also, the guy above me seems to share my feelings. I forgot your name because I'm too lazy to go back to the thread.
And what if he only buys home grown~
And therefore must be purged. You can't be sure where it's coming from anyway~~~~~~~>
Very noble to buy local and organic only.
And therefore must be purged. You can't be sure where it's coming from anyway~~~~~~~>
Very noble to buy local and organic only.
I wouldn't say that all people can't be sure where it's coming from. Most kids won't but it depends how high up the chain you are, and Mexican stuff is generally shit compared to the local PNW bud~
This is an interesting concept to me. I was in Parkland (I know, I know), and some high gal from Kentucky commented on how she enjoyed the PNW, and I was like, "Oh, is the climate better?", and she just said, "No, but the weed is".
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I just wanted to post my 2 cents about pot being a gateway drug, as was stated earlier by some people. If anything is a gateway drug it is alchohol. Every single person I know who smokes weed or cigs started when they were drunk. PERIOD. If you enjoy getting really f*ed up you dont smoke weed to do it, you drink cause its way more effective. When drinking isn't enough any more then you switch to something harder.