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Looks like I'm living in historic times. America has come full circle and is ripe for it's rebirth. I don't know if I'll live through it but know I'll do what I can to make sure my kids don't have to live in this bullshit fascist state being set up for them. I'm all for armbands. Wear red if you're in agreement with the current lunacy/tyranny/treachery/treason.......green if you support the Constitution and the rule of law as set up by our founders.

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well when you word it like

well when you word it like that....

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The founding fathers are far

The founding fathers are far from being some godlike entities who were prepared and thought about every possible situation. There was no way for them to predict the course of history; that the world would be as large and integrated and so technological as it is now. The reason we can make amendments to the constitution is because of their lack of foresight. so we could fix things as time went on. Just like our constition is able to change, and just like our world is changing, so must the way we do things.

Not sure where you've the idea that we're some sort of facist state: A facist state opposes capitalism, communism, liberalism, individualism, conservatism and rationalism. What part of America is opposed to all that? What part of our government is opposed to both liberalism and conservatism? Or  individualism and rationalism? While throwing out words like 'Facist' may seem to make America look bad, when you use them with little or no context, or any care as to what the word really means and implies, it makes one seem extreme and uninformed.

America ain't perfect, but I dare say it's more perfect than anywhere else. It beats the hell out of living in a Communist China or a tyrannical Russia. I'd be happy to let my children grow up in America.

I'd wear red.

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Not sure where you've the idea that we're some sort of facist state: A facist state opposes capitalism, communism, liberalism, individualism, conservatism and rationalism. What part of America is opposed to all that? What part of our government is opposed to both liberalism and conservatism? Or  individualism and rationalism? While throwing out words like 'Facist' may seem to make America look bad, when you use them with little or no context, or any care as to what the word really means and implies, it makes one seem extreme and uninformed.

Well, individualism and rationalism at least. Democracy simply doesn't roll well with individualism (aka tyranny of the majority) or rationalism (aka mob rule).

Your definition of a fascist state is also wrong. Copying a "definition" from wikipedia and trying to pigeonhole fascism into a single monolithic concept is not the way. You'd be hard-pressed to find a single example of a fascist thinker/party/state that espouses all these -isms at the same time.Fascism is generally regarded as a reactionary (as in, wanting a return to an idealized past - sounds like conservatism on crack to me) movement espousing corporatism (loosely equivalent to what we call "state capitalism" today), so it shares on certain levels certain similarities with certain groups in certain American political parties.

Of course, I am in no way or form supporting the views of the OP, who seems to need to take a chill pill and a reality check. What's currently happening now seems like the natural outcome when a small cabal of people are given political power, also known as something that has been happening for as long as there was this occupation called the politician. There's nothing fascist about it; such is the nature of all government.

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America ain't perfect, but I dare say it's more perfect than anywhere else. It beats the hell out of living in a Communist China or a tyrannical Russia. I'd be happy to let my children grow up in America.

Oh c'mon now. You can't honestly believe that the USA is better than everywhere else. In military spending maybe (depending on your definition of "more perfect"), but take a look at the life expectancy, per capita income, wealth inequality and HDI of countries like Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Singapore, Japan and you'll see that the USA has a great deal of catching up to do. GDP and brute military power isn't the benchmark of perfection, you know.

Incidentally, I'd rather be an entrepreneur in "Communist" China or the owner of an oil field in Russia than a hick in West Virginia. You need to qualify your statements, lol.

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I'd wear red.

Blue for me.

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dainesj2 wrote:Looks like
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Looks like I'm living in historic times. America has come full circle and is ripe for it's rebirth. I don't know if I'll live through it but know I'll do what I can to make sure my kids don't have to live in this bullshit fascist state being set up for them. I'm all for armbands. Wear red if you're in agreement with the current lunacy/tyranny/treachery/treason.......green if you support the Constitution and the rule of law as set up by our founders.

Ok...

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a bit long winged, but...

If it's hard to 'define' facism then one definition is damn near as good as another, and it comes down to perspective. That definition wasn't the only one, but the one I thought was the best.

On the matter of Individualism and Rationalism, i disagree. I think democracy does a hell of a lot better job championing the rights of the individual (The Bill of Rights, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights).  Yes, it's democracy, it's supposed to allow everyone to have a voice, and, when theres large populations like there  are right now, sometimes your voice gets drowned. But we have the Senate and House of Reps to help with that and a good President is one who is both a mouth-piece of the majority and a defender of the minority.

It took rational thinking men to move past archaic ideas of oligarchy, monarchy, and plutocracy and its the rational thinking men that get far in this country.

If having dictators who rule your life is your cup of tea, then by all means go to China, North Korea, or Russia. If you like to be spammed with nationalistic nonsense that the government spouts out, if you like the books you read and the media you watch to be censored if it's deemed 'unsafe', or even the internet blocked, to 'protect' you, then by all means, move to one of those countries.

Of course someone might make the same arguement about America. That with stuff like the Patriot act we can be monitored, etc etc. The difference, however, between the USA and these other countries is that in America, there's a chance. Here you've got a chance to fix wrongs, you can fight the government. In China, if you fight against the government, they'll send tanks against your peaceful protests. In America, if you fight against the government, you get media attention to help your cause, lawyers willing to fight for you, people who support you, and a government that is capable of bending without fearing that it will look weak.

So yes, i do think America is the best country. I believe that a perfect society is one where there are those who succeed and those who fail and everything in between. A society where there's no 'lower class' or class struggle or any kind of difficulty is idealistic and unrealistic. In the United States, where there is an amount of suffering, i believe it works to make America stronger.  A 'perfect' society doesn't need to work towards anything, they grow stagnant. One with some strife, some suffering, is bound to keep working towards something better.

/endrant

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You seem to live in fear of a lot. Big government. Communist China, fascists in the white house....

The only thing to fear is fear itself, all of these things, all of these conspiracies, true or not, are there to make you scared and immobile. You will never know everything for certain, and when it comes to uncertainty its best not to dwell on it.

Obamas leading the country down fascism/socialism. a cabal of bankers is in control of everything. bullshit, you want to know who is really in control?

no one, nobody is in control.

I'd wear a peace sign

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Charlie Chaplin Speech

I just thought I'd share this with you, its a speech by Charlie Chaplin : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcvjoWOwnn4

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ihlerj wrote:

You seem to live in fear of a lot. Big government. Communist China, fascists in the white house....

The only thing to fear is fear itself, all of these things, all of these conspiracies, true or not, are there to make you scared and immobile. You will never know everything for certain, and when it comes to uncertainty its best not to dwell on it.

Obamas leading the country down fascism/socialism. a cabal of bankers is in control of everything. bullshit, you want to know who is really in control?

no one, nobody is in control.

I'd wear a peace sign

Hey thanks I really feel this.

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